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Rafe Champion's avatar

A lot of time spent arguing about the comparative cost of RE vs conventional power would be saved if people just understood that wind and solar cannot work due to the three basic principles of intermittent energy, they ABC as we call it among the Energy Realists of Australia. It can't work, and it should never have been allowed to contaminate and destablise the grids of the western world.

All we have got from trillions of dollars of expenditure is power that is more expensive and less reliable, with massive damage to the planet.

Around the Western world, subsidised and mandated wind and solar power have been displacing conventional power in the electricity supply. Consequently, most of the grids in the west are moving towards a tipping point where the lights will flicker at nights when the wind is low. This is a “frog in the saucepan” effect and it only starts to worry people when it is too late. Too late for Britain and Germany certainly.

https://newcatallaxy.blog/2023/07/11/approaching-the-tipping-point/

Consider the ABC of intermittent energy generation.

A. Input to the grid must continuously match the demand.

B. The continuity of RE is broken on nights with little or no wind.

C. There is no feasible or affordable large-scale storage to bridge the gaps.

Therefore, the green transition is impossible with current storage technology.

The rate of progress towards the tipping point will accelerate as demand is swelled by AI and electrification at large.

In Australia, the transition to unreliable wind and solar power has just hit the wall, while Britain and Germany have passed the tipping point and entered a “red zone,” keeping the lights on precariously with imports and deindustrialization to reduce demand.

The meteorologists never issued wind drought warnings and the irresponsible authorities never checked the wind supply! They even missed the Dunkelflautes that must have been known to mariners and millers for centuries!

https://www.flickerpower.com/images/The_endless_wind_drought_crippling_renewables___The_Spectator_Australia.pdf

There is an urgent need to find out why the meteorologists failed to warn us about wind droughts and why energy planners didn’t check. Imagine embarking on a major irrigation project without forensic investigation of the water supply including historical rainfall figures.

https://quadrant.org.au/news-opinions/climate-change/no-gusts-no-glory/

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On the US EIA charts of LCOE, there has always been (or was, haven't checked in several years) a note that LCOE for wind and solar do not reflect true costs because expenses such as long distance transmission and firming are not included.

Lazard has always ignored this note in their reports. In my opinion, what Lazard has done for the last two decades has been blatant lying and misrepresentation to drive the narrative their customers wanted, rather than actually trying to report something resembling reality.

On a different but similar note, I did a little diving in my collection of bookmarks the other day. Explanations of how wind/solar actually do very little to reduce overall CO2 emissions on a reliable grid:

Several (oldish) references on this topic:

"CO2 Emissions Variations in CCGTs Used to Balance Wind in Ireland"

http://euanmearns.com/co2-emissions-variations-in-ccgts-used-to-balance-wind-in-ireland/

"Cost and Quantity of Greenhouse Gas Emissions Avoided by Wind Generation" By Peter Lang

https://bravenewclimate.com/files/2009/08/peter-lang-wind-power.pdf

"Does wind power reduce carbon emissions?" by Barry Brook, references Lang above.

https://bravenewclimate.com/2009/08/08/does-wind-power-reduce-carbon-emissions/

"Why solar and wind won’t make much difference to carbon dioxide emissions"

https://blog.oup.com/2017/10/solar-wind-energy-carbon-dioxide-emissions/

"Wind Integration: Incremental Emissions from Back-Up Generation Cycling (Part V: Calculator Update)" By Kent Hawkins

https://www.masterresource.org/wind-power/wind-integration-incremental-emissions-from-back-up-generation-cycling-part-v-calculator-update/#more-7271

"HOW LESS BECAME MORE… Wind, Power and Unintended Consequences

in the Colorado Energy Market"

https://docs.wind-watch.org/BENTEK-How-Less-Became-More.pdf

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