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Rafe Champion's avatar

These efforts to cost wind and solar production by themselves miss the point - it is the SYSTEM cost that matter. Wind and solar cannot provide continuous input due to nights with little or no wind and there is no feasible or affordable storage in sight to cover the gaps.

So we have to keep conventional capacity available to provide dispatchable energy to fill the gaps and the cost of that firming or backup has to be taken into account because we are stuck with hybrid power systems.

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Bill Hale's avatar

The capital cost and LCOE cost comparison between wind and solar vs. fossil fuels is like comparing apples and bananas. It may cost $1,500/Kw to build a wind or solar project but that Kw of nameplate capacity only produces 300 watts and 200 watts of output on average respectively. You would have to spend $5,000/Kw for wind and $7,500/Kw for solar to get the same total average output as an equivalent base load gas, coal or nuke plant. And, as they say on the late night infomercials "But wait, there's more!", the land usage would be obscene for wind (1.3 square meters per watt) and solar (0.3 square meters per watt) versus combined cycle gas (0.002 square meters per watt) and nuclear (0.0002 square meters per watt). Also the wind and solar would have to be entirely backed up by batteries or fossil fuels due to periods of no wind or no sunshine. Try running the 4.6 million square foot Meta Platforms data center in Prineville Oregon (the largest in the US) on wind or solar (pro tip: take a look at NREL's maps on average wind speeds and solar irradiance and Prineville OR isn't exactly a great place to put wind mills or solar panels).

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